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there was some problems in my english very very bad. i write another way......

Hello Richard. i think there are still some bugs in Hurt signalling behaviour

The "vorsignale" on the plate of signal N51 dont give indications The only aspect shown is Green even if there is a train in block section 904. I think this is a bug

Signal P2 P54 and P55 vorsignale are off and not green for trains direct to Elfeltor Only signal P4 vorsignale become green with Hauptsignale P4 for trains direct to Elfeltort. I think this is not normal

Train coming on left track to Bruhl have always F00001 ...F00002..... on block sections and the correct train number from A302 (where it is fixed when Bruhl give me permission to send train by ZNp801) go on block indication 930. Is this normal ?

I have always problems to send more then one train on left track to Bruhl. If i fix route when the first train sent to Bruhl is on track 932 or 931 or 930 signal at Hurt K (for example signal N1) is red until first train disappear. But if 932 931 and 930 are track referred at Bruhl station is this correct ? i dont understand. I think that when train is on block 932 it is in bruhl station and in this moment the entrance signal at Bruhl is red and so this signal protect this train . Why in this moment signal N1 at Hurt cant become green ? Can you confirm me that for trains coming to Bruhl on left side there is only one block section (the amount of 302+320) ?

Have a good sunday

Diego from Italy

Posted

The "vorsignale" on the plate of signal N51 dont give indications The only aspect shown is Green even if there is a train in block section 904. I think this is a bug

Signal P2 P54 and P55 vorsignale are off and not green for trains direct to Elfeltor Only signal P4 vorsignale become green with Hauptsignale P4 for trains direct to Elfeltort. I think this is not normal

Yes, this seems to be a visualisation issue. The Vorsignal indication seems to stay unlit when the main aspect is Hp 2 (reduced speed). Well that's my guess.

(and I think you meant P51 here, not N51)

The fact that the main signal shows green has nothing to do with a train being in section 904. The main aspect shows if train is allowed into the direct section behind the signal, the distant signal shows the aspect of the next main signal

Train coming on left track to Bruhl have always F00001 ...F00002..... on block sections and the correct train number from A302 (where it is fixed when Bruhl give me permission to send train by ZNp801) go on block indication 930. Is this normal ?

My guess is: no this is not normal

I have always problems to send more then one train on left track to Bruhl. If i fix route when the first train sent to Bruhl is on track 932 or 931 or 930 signal at Hurt K (for example signal N1) is red until first train disappear. But if 932 931 and 930 are track referred at Bruhl station is this correct ? i dont understand. I think that when train is on block 932 it is in bruhl station and in this moment the entrance signal at Bruhl is red and so this signal protect this train . Why in this moment signal N1 at Hurt cant become green ? Can you confirm me that for trains coming to Bruhl on left side there is only one block section (the amount of 302+320) ?Diego from Italy

The fact that you can send trains via the left track does not mean you can send them diretcly following up each other.

I think the track Brühl->Hürth is one physical track section (no individual blocks, block signals for left track) when you let trains run wrong/left track (The signalling plan more or less confirms this to me)

This would explain why you can only send one train at the time via left track towards Brühl.

Thus you will have to wait until the moment that your left-track-train has arrived at Brühl.

Let's see what the Chef has to tell us on this

Erwin

Posted

Ok Erwin, but do you know where is the first main signal on left side towards Bruhl ? if it is at the end of block 320 why my signal at Hurth become green for the second train to send on left track only when first train is over block 930 ?

Thanks for your reply

Diego

Posted

ok i will wait what the boss tell us !!

Ciao

Posted

Ok Erwin, but do you know where is the first main signal on left side towards Bruhl ? if it is at the end of block 320 why my signal at Hurth become green for the second train to send on left track only when first train is over block 930 ?

Thanks for your reply

Diego

I think the first signal is at the end of section 930 (looking into direction of Brühl), which is likely to be the entrance signal of Brühl station

If that's correct, that explain what you're seeing

Erwin

Posted

I think the first signal is at the end of section 930 (looking into direction of Brühl), which is likely to be the entrance signal of Brühl station

If that's correct, that explain what you're seeing

Erwin

But Bruhl passenger station is after Bruhl Gbf. Is there only one main signal for these two stations ?

i find this file in internet but there is some problem for me to identify track 932 931 and 930

http://www.deutschebahn.com/site/bahn/de/geschaefte/infrastruktur__schiene/netz/netzzugang/dokumente/Bahnhof/SNB/K/KBR__NBS.pdf

Posted

the problem is with the blocks VISIBLE on the panel of Huerth, coming FROM Brühl is that they are actually in the yard of Brühl. This is needed for the line operations upcoming....

So this is a kind of "shared block" to your neighbour. To give the effect of an approaching train from your neighbour, while NOT connected to a neighbour, we have to find a way to show the train. In NOT-line operations it sees it more or less as blocks. (resulting in the long block on the way out, if you go to the left line)

Those issues are very hard to solve differently if we don't want to break functionality for with and without line operations.

The dark distant signal indicates that the main signal is too far away from the distant signal. This is wrong in KKAS and caused by a wrong length in the block to KKS. will be solved in the next update. (this evening)

Posted

the problem is with the blocks VISIBLE on the panel of Huerth, coming FROM Brühl is that they are actually in the yard of Brühl. This is needed for the line operations upcoming....

So this is a kind of "shared block" to your neighbour. To give the effect of an approaching train from your neighbour, while NOT connected to a neighbour, we have to find a way to show the train. In NOT-line operations it sees it more or less as blocks. (resulting in the long block on the way out, if you go to the left line)

Those issues are very hard to solve differently if we don't want to break functionality for with and without line operations.

The dark distant signal indicates that the main signal is too far away from the distant signal. This is wrong in KKAS and caused by a wrong length in the block to KKS. will be solved in the next update. (this evening)

Very well

Thanks

Diego

Posted

Very well

Thanks

Diego

some minutes ago i downloaded an update (2.3.072) for KH

i tried to fix some routes from KH to KKS and Eifeltor without trains. This is my report :

from signal P51 to KKS ==> vorsignale is dark - (OFF)

from signals P2, P54 and P55 to KKS ==> vorsignale is on and green

from signals P2, P51, P54 and P55 to Eifeltor ==> vorsignale is dark - (OFF)

from signal P4 to Eifeltor ==> vorsignale is on and green

Good evening

Diego

Posted

some minutes ago i downloaded an update (2.3.072) for KH

i tried to fix some routes from KH to KKS and Eifeltor without trains. This is my report :

from signal P51 to KKS ==> vorsignale is dark - (OFF)

from signals P2, P54 and P55 to KKS ==> vorsignale is on and green

from signals P2, P51, P54 and P55 to Eifeltor ==> vorsignale is dark - (OFF)

from signal P4 to Eifeltor ==> vorsignale is on and green

Good evening

Diego

Apart from that, I have the situation that the simulation hangs completly after just a couple of minutes of game play.

At the moment I can not really give any hint of what situation is causing this. Investigation on going

Erwin

Posted

Apart from that, I have the situation that the simulation hangs completly after just a couple of minutes of game play.

At the moment I can not really give any hint of what situation is causing this. Investigation on going

Erwin

Thanks to the help of the Quick-Response-Team the above I reported has already been resolved in version 2.3.0.73. Thanks Richard!

Erwin

Posted

Quick-Response-Team is better than Delta Force !

Posted

Quick-Response-Team is better than Delta Force !

new test with version 2.3.073

Ok for vorsignale on routes towards KKS (vorsignale become green) for all signals

still some problems on vorsignale for signals P2 P51 P54 and P55 toward Eifeltor (are dark)

New : revoking a route with FHT towards KKS the blue circle on trak remains blue

Good night

Diego

Posted

Can't test it myself, but try BlGrT + "n. Süd"-Button.

Posted

Can't test it myself, but try BlGrT + "n. Süd"-Button.

Yes, that should normally do the trick.

Learned that earlier this week as well. :rolleyes: Had similar situation with a Ausfahrtsperrmelder in the KK sim.

Erwin

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.........................................................i quote myself.............................................

new test with version 2.3.073

Ok for vorsignale on routes towards KKS (vorsignale become green) for all signals

still some problems on vorsignale for signals P2 P51 P54 and P55 toward Eifeltor (are dark)

New : revoking a route with FHT towards KKS the blue circle on trak remains blue

Good night

Diego

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Please is there upcoming an update for these problems and also for F00001 F00002 ...... train number problem in left block section towards Bruhl as in my first email on the forum ......

thanks as always at Richard for his enormous patience !!!!

Posted

New : revoking a route with FHT towards KKS the blue circle on trak remains blue

Diego,

did you try resetting the Blue light (Aspm = Ausfahrtsperrmelder) using BlGrT button + "n. Süd"-Button ?

Revoking FHT is not enough as far as I now. You also have to reset the Aspm light doing the above

Erwin

Posted

Diego,

did you try resetting the Blue light (Aspm = Ausfahrtsperrmelder) using BlGrT button + "n. Süd"-Button ?

Revoking FHT is not enough as far as I now. You also have to reset the Aspm light doing the above

Erwin

Ciao Erwin. Now i'm at work . This evening when i return at home i will try as you suggest me.

Thanks for your reply

Diego

  • 3 years later...
Posted

Why can not I set the N52 + n.Erft buttons to set the signal free?

We still need to press anything?

Best Regards Charlie

Posted

Hi Charlie,

The track to Erftstadt is a non-electrified one. So you have to press the FfrT (group button) additionally. Finally you have to wait until the level crossing is closed.

Regards

Helmut

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