Problems with orders

[Stigah]

Hello. I bought this game for some days ago, and I can't nothing right now, therefore I am just testing different things, to learn me how to do this. I know there is a wiki, but the thing I need help with now, isn't in the Wiki! Therefore I am asking here, and I really hope someone can help me

I am playing on the Kleinstadt route, and a train were going to drive trought platform 2. The signal was green, but I really wanted the train to stop at the station (As I said; to learn how to do different things in the sumulator )

I opened up the Orders menu, selected the right train, and then selected "In Kleinstadt-Platforms on 2 pull up to N2."

After that I added "Please call me if you arrive at Kleinstadt-Bahnsteig on 2 track.

As I said, the train was not going to stop at the station, just drive trought, and continue.

The train did actually stop for around 30 sec, before it started driving again with restricted speed. But the driver did never call me.

So, I am pretty sure I know the problem. When I add the order, it stays under the tab "Prepared Orders". How do I move the prepared orders over to "Current Orders"? Do you think this can be the problem? If not, can you please help me here? I didn't find any info about this in the Wiki.

I would be very happy if you could help me! Thank you very much!

- Stig

[TjoeTjoe]

See topic in the Wiki : SignalWiki - Movement Orders window

To submit your (new) Movement Orders, as that is what you are trying to do here, you could press the button with the little man in Blue on the Movement Order window.

That is your virtual assistant. He will grab the telephone and provide the spefic train driver with the new Movement orders. This will take a while

However, this is the "dirty" way. The real way, would be that you prepare the Movement orders.

Then you go to the Communication panel, press the ZBF button there.

A couple of seconds later you will be asked to which train you want to be connected. Enter the train number, without the steering number

Once connected, choose the option that you have new movement orders. He (the driver) will accept them.

One challenge left: be in time. If you are too late with submitting new orders, well yes ... the train driver will continue doing just what he was originally intended to do

Erwin

[Stigah]

Thank you very, very much Erwin! Now I can continue with operating the railroad here

One more question: If a train need to drop of some wagons, how do I find out that? And when I drop of some wagons, is there any red light on the "map", saying there are a wagon in the way? (I hope you understand what I mean here. My English is not very good You know. There is coming a lot of green lights on open rails, and when a train is coming, the color change from green to red, so we can see where the train is. Are there coming any red light if there is standing a wagon on the rail?

Will the driver drop off the wagon automatic, or do I need to change the driver to an junction driver, and then select him to uncouple the designated wagons? Thank you very, very much!

Stig

[Stigah]

I also have another question, and I have been searching after it on the Wiki for hours now. I sat a route by an accident (so the signals became green). But the train that are coming, are going the other way. I can't change the switch by pressing the WGT button, and the switch. (I get a red circle around it)

As you can see, the circle around switch 12 is red, so I can't change that. The train is suposed to go trought station 003. (First I sent the technician to look at the switch, because I thought there were something wrong. I think he will get mad at me )

So, the signal is green, but how do I make it red again, so no train can enter the signal block?

I really hope someone here can help me as fast as possible! As I said; I searched on the wiki for hours, but I couldn't find any info about this!

EDIT:

I found out how to put the signal to stop, using the HaGT button, but I stil can't change the direction of the switch. Please, help! I would be very happy!

[TjoeTjoe]

The "problem" that you have here in this situation that you have set a route.

This locks all required switches in a specific situation as part of this route. Bringing the signal to stop does not release the route.

First of all you need to revoke the route. This is done using the FHT button plus pressing the (red) start button and (red) end button at the signals.

Note: if you have set a complete route from entrance till exit, you first need to revoke the route from entrance till the next signal, then from that next signal to the 2nd next signal (or exit button) and so on.

I think in your case you have to revoke with FHT + SigButton G + SigButton P4

Then, you will be left with a so-called overlap route at signal P4. This can be revoked using DHT + SigButton P4

Hope this helps

Erwin

[Stigah]

Thanks, but I think I have some problems here. It looks like I can't press the FHT button. Nothing happen when I press it!

Example:

First of all it looks like this:

When I press an random button; let's say SBRT, this happen:

When I press the FHT button at the top, this happen:

As you can see, I don't get any pink circle around the FHT button.

I tried to press the FHT button, then I tried to press the SigButton G, and then SigButton P4, but nothing happened.

Here is what I did:

As I said, I pressed the FHT button first, then the SigButton G:

Then I pressed the SigButton P4:

Then both became green:

(I just moved the G signal more to the left at the picture, so that the picture shouldn't become really long)

After both of them became green, i pressed the DHT button, and then SigButton P4, but nothing happened at all. What did I do wrong now?

I really hope you would like to help me with this!

[TjoeTjoe]

You then must read the Wiki for days

Here is your answer : SignalWiki - SpDrS60 Panel - Collars

Those glass collars prevent you from accidently operating those buttons (operation of such buttons must be logged on paper)

Press F8 and the button to remove the collar

Then you should be able to operate i.e. FHT

Erwin

[Stigah]

Nice! Thank you very, very much Erwin! For some reason I can't like your posts, becuase, for some reason I have reached my quota of positive votes for the day. Still I haven't used any.

[Stigah]

Ok, this is my LAST question (for now)

Celle want me to take this train trought my area (or how to say it). It is going to drive trought 303, and then trought signal G, which is green. I have made the whole route for the train.

But here is my problem. The train wont start moving! The person from Celle called me several times, asking if I could change the switchs, so that the train could drive. The first time, I told him that there were coming an train, and he had to wait on that. The second time I told him that I couldn't do that right now, because I had to wait on another train. Now the tracks are free, and I want that train to move. But it wont! Do you know why? Do I have to do something to move it from A303 to 303?

If I have to, I have no idea where to find this on the Wiki. Do I need to wait to the person from Celle calls me again?

I would really appreciate it if you could help me!

[TjoeTjoe]

Celle does not ask you to change the switch!

He asks you to change the direction.

On the right side of your first image you have the direction indicator EaT

You have to press the grey button on that tile together with the EaGT button on the Group button panel. That will set the direction of track 303 towards you, and the train will drive towards you

I do strongly recommend that you read the Wiki pages about the panel, group buttons and the ZNP801 system. It might have some open ends on there, but those pages and pages underneath them contain the key information to get started

Why I say this? Because I am pretty sure that your next question will be about how to get a train towards Celle, after having received one from there.

It is no problem if you find it difficult to understand this system. If you have Skype I will be more then happy to give you a short training on the basics of operating this type of panel. Just drop me a PM if you want that.

Erwin

[TjoeTjoe]

The A303 train window does not show a train's position. It is actually some kind of Announcement window for both you, dispatcher Kleinstadt, and your neighbour (Celle in this example).

When Celle wants to offer you a train he will offer it on track 303 using ZNP. His offer will show up flashing in window A303. If you accept it will stay steady, if refused it will be deleted

Same procedure the other way round. You must also offer a train (with its steering number) to Celle on track 303.

When accepted by Celle, he will also change the direction towards him

Erwin

[TjoeTjoe]

Sorry I missed this question. Answering them now

If a train need to drop of some wagons, how do I find out that?

It is sometimes mentionned in the status bar within the Train Overview window, shown when you select a train. Otherwise, always refer to the Movement Orders window

And when I drop of some wagons, is there any red light on the "map", saying there are a wagon in the way? (I hope you understand what I mean here. My English is not very good You know. There is coming a lot of green lights on open rails, and when a train is coming, the color change from green to red, so we can see where the train is. Are there coming any red light if there is standing a wagon on the rail?

If the wagons are on isolated tracks (in Kleinstadt that is in general the case) you will see that by the red "track occupied" lights. The white lights in the track plan indicate the routes which have set

Will the driver drop off the wagon automatic, or do I need to change the driver to an junction driver, and then select him to uncouple the designated wagons? Thank you very, very much!

If movement orders are defined to drop off wagons, then this will happen automatically once the train has come to a stop at the place where the Movement Orders have to be executed

Erwin

[Stigah]

Thank you very, very much Erwin!

I've been ill, so I have not had time to respond to you yet, and I am sorry for that.

I did what you said about the direction, and it worked perfect! The train is now driving into the station. But when do I know when I need to send a train to him? Should I always ask the people at the different station if they allow a train to come to them? (My English is even more poorly when I am ill, sorry for that!) Every 20-30 minutes, there are coming two ICE trains in each direction. One of them are driving trought station 1, and the other is driving trough station 2. I don't think they are suposed to stop there.

After a while, they leave the screen. Should I ask one of the stations managers (Not sure what they are called) if they want the ICE trains, or should I just let the ICE train drive off to the next station?

Same procedure the other way round. You must also offer a train (with its steering number) to Celle on track 303.

What is actually the steering number? I didn't find any info about it on the Wiki. I know it's the number to the left, like 1__25 or 3684, but I don't know what it mean.

I do strongly recommend that you read the Wiki pages about the panel, group buttons and the ZNP801 system. It might have some open ends on there, but those pages and pages underneath them contain the key information to get started

Why I say this? Because I am pretty sure that your next question will be about how to get a train towards Celle, after having received one from there.

I think I now how to get trains towards Celle. I have read a little bit about the ZNP801 system, but I can't remember all of the codes, hehe

If the wagons are on isolated tracks (in Kleinstadt that is in general the case) you will see that by the red "track occupied" lights. The white lights in the track plan indicate the routes which have set

Can I find out what types of wagons are standing on the isolated tracks, and how many there are? Can I also find out how many wagons the yard can fit?

It is no problem if you find it difficult to understand this system. If you have Skype I will be more then happy to give you a short training on the basics of operating this type of panel. Just drop me a PM if you want that.

To be honest, I am a little bit shy, and I don't know if I can talk to people in English Is it ok that we write to each other, instead of talking?

I need to say it again: Thank you very, very much for the help!

[TjoeTjoe]

But when do I know when I need to send a train to him? Should I always ask the people at the different station if they allow a train to come to them?

You should know when you need to send a train. You are the dispatcher remember

Now seriously. You do not have to offer trains to your neighbours all the time. For those trains that go from Erle towards Dortheim or vica versa there is no requirement to offer each train.

The only exception on this rule would be if you want to send a train to your neighbour via the unsual track (read: left track running , the Germans call this GWB or Gleiswechselbetrieb)

In case of Kleinstadt, under normal operation, you only offer the trains that have to go to Celle (via 303), as this is a single track and both you and your neighbour want to know if a train is coming.

(My English is even more poorly when I am ill, sorry for that!)

There is really no need to apologize for that. If I (or someone else) do not understand what is meant, I just ask again.

Should I ask one of the stations managers (Not sure what they are called) ...

We call those people Dispatchers (Signalmann in Norwegian ?)

What is actually the steering number? I didn't find any info about it on the Wiki. I know it's the number to the left, like 1__25 or 3684, but I don't know what it mean.

In Kleinstadt the steering number does not have an operational function. However, there are signal box simulations (like Braunschweig and Köln Hbf) these steering numbers are actually used by the system to automatically set a route into a specific direction. In Kleinstadt the so-called auto fleeting (Selbstbetrieb) of the signals is just setting the route for one specific path

In Kleinstadt the steering number indicates what kind of train it is. And it even helps you to recognize which train has to go to Celle (if I am not wrong)

On the panel, in the train window displays, the steering number is the digit on the most left. So as you say : 1___25 , here 1 is the steering number, 25 is the actual train number

I think I now how to get trains towards Celle. I have read a little bit about the ZNP801 system, but I can't remember all of the codes, hehe

Yes, you might have to learn the correct sequence, but in the end you will manage

Example : 37701 C 303 ANB + ZNS is for offering train 7701 with steering number 3 to Celle on track 303

Can I find out what types of wagons are standing on the isolated tracks, and how many there are?

In the Train Overview window (the one that lists all upcoming trains and present trains) click right mouse and choose 'Show trains without personel'

This will show any trains/wagons somewhere on the panel, regardless if they are staffed or not

Can I also find out how many wagons the yard can fit?

Yes and no. Yes, it is possible to generated a list with track lengths. I will see if I can setup a Dispatching in page for Kleinstadt containing this answer

Why no? Because the number of wagons that fits on a track depends on the length of the cars

To be honest, I am a little bit shy, and I don't know if I can talk to people in English Is it ok that we write to each other, instead of talking?

English is not my native language either. Anyway, no need to be shied, but I can understand if you think it is too hard to speak English. So, no problem with that. Instant Messaging or questions via the forums are ok as well

I need to say it again: Thank you very, very much for the help!

You're welcome

Erwin

[KobaiasoftSupport]

I just wanted to say that it was very enjoyable to see some great questions and answers. As a developer working on these simulations, I forget how challenging some of this stuff is.

Stigah, your screenshots really add a lot to the discussion. I hope you continue to enjoy our simulations

Thanks Erwin and Stigah for a very informative thread!

[TjoeTjoe]

.... I forget how challenging some of this stuff is ....

You're not alone Charlie. It also reminds me of my initial steps into the world of dispatching with the German signal boxes. Those where tough times back then. And still learning.

Anyway, these kind of question are a good reminder that something that seems to be obvious to one person, is not obvious for those people just getting started.

In other words, I should really start a page about Kleinstadt where the basic steps on dispatching with Sp Dr S60 systems will be discussed. Consider it work in progress

Stigah, your screenshots really add a lot to the discussion. I hope you continue to enjoy our simulations

I can not agree more on that. For that I would like to address my compliments to Stig as well.

The detailed information as well describing how ending up in a specific situation is the best way to let other people have a look at it, so that they can reproduce it themselves and then give proper advice or answers. So, well done Stig!

Erwin

[signalsoftRC]

Erwin: we might try to do something with the teaching tool... (like the KoelnHbf demo). It can even be annotated with notes and voice (charlie has to do that)

[TjoeTjoe]

Lucky Charlie

Wonder if he is reading all this ... LOL

Sounds good to me. Let us talk about that tonight or anytime this weekend.

In the meanwhile I will make a reservation for the sound recording studio and borrow Amazing Mike's book "how-to-be-a-briljant-host"

Erwin

[Stigah]

I just wanted to say that it was very enjoyable to see some great questions and answers. As a developer working on these simulations, I forget how challenging some of this stuff is.

Stigah, your screenshots really add a lot to the discussion. I hope you continue to enjoy our simulations

Thanks Erwin and Stigah for a very informative thread!

Thank you very much for this!

I must say that I really love your simulations.

I was actually thinking about getting a job as an train driver, but now I might become an dispatcher instead, because if this Sim! It's so fantastic, and very challenging

Stig