Bahn-Michel Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Hi all! I purchased the Vol.3 yesterday (software version 2.0.0.33) and started with the "Kleinstadt" sim. First of all, congratulations for this sim, it is very near to reality. Knowing the Sp Dr S60 type quite well, I have encountered the following issues so far (these are also suggestions for improving the sim): 1. the switching signal "3" is obsolete because the main signal P1 (and also all P and N main signals) has its functions incorporated (signal type Hp00). It is very uncommon that a switching signal is directly after a main signal Hp00 without a track switch in between. E.g. in case track 1 is occupied and an engine switching should drive before Lsp3 but not into track 1 the switch engine would not stop before the switching signal Lsp3 and between it and P1 because it gets no signal where to stop. Although the signal type Hp00 has officially been disestablished and set equal to Hp0/Ks0 type, they still exist and are in valid function (even in this sim which plays in 1974). 2. I tried to change over the engine on train 7734 and others from west to east. You can switch only over the signal Lsp2 via track 1, 2 or 3 and then to a position behind the Lsp's 11, 12R2 or 9. The engine has to come back with a shunt route (of course, because it is not possible to set a train route into an occupied track). So far in all cases it was not possible for me to get the engine back to track 4 where the waggons were. Several times the engine drove past the ESig F or FF and I could not get it back even with the order to drive past the red light on the ESig. When giving the order, the engine replies that the order has been understood and accepted. However it does not start moving at all. In order to change this, because this is unreal, please be advised of the following: when switching an engine to a switching signal that is after an ESig, the engine must never drive also past the ESig. This is forbidden by the regulations! In Germany, there is a switching signal Ra10 between the switching signal and the ESig which forbids to drive past the ESig in the opposite direction, see here: http://www.stellwerk...ch/ra.html#ra10 With this, it is not necessary to give an oder to drive past the red Esig. The shunt route for the engine is finished after the switching signal, not after the ESig ! This should be corrected for all SpDrS60 systems, it is no fun to sit and wait for the engine while the main line track is not available. 3. I did not manage to set train routes or switching routes from the Unterberg track to track 3 or 4 without pushing the "Fahrstrassenfreigabetaste" first. However, I have no problems from the tracks of the main line to track 3 or 4 without it. Is this a bug or a "feature"? Btw: I have never had a "Fahrstrassenfreigabetaste" so far on any SpDrS60 I know !?! 4. I did not manage to set a subsidiary signal function ("Ersatzsignal"). Theoretically you have to push the "ErsGT" button first and then the desired signal's button. How is that on this sim?? No offense meant, I just try to participate in the software improvement. Dear Supporters, please let me know your comments on these issues.
signalsoftRC Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 1. the signal is placed for the purpose of flank protection. (the shunt signal provides flank protection in case track 1 between P1 and signal 3 is occupied. This is an old remnant thing from earlier designs. 2. Any shunting movements should automatically change direction if it has a movement order. if not it will "escape" to the next station. Known issue :-) 3. FfrT is needed if you set a route from "having OLE" to "not having OLE". 4. in the yards you must disable the "Weichenlaufkette" (switch chain), before you can operate the ErsGT (Subsidiary signal) on the open line, you can activate the Subsidiary signal, if the track before the signal is occupied.
Bahn-Michel Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 1. the signal is placed for the purpose of flank protection. (the shunt signal provides flank protection in case track 1 between P1 and signal 3 is occupied. This is an old remnant thing from earlier designs. 2. Any shunting movements should automatically change direction if it has a movement order. if not it will "escape" to the next station. Known issue :-) 3. FfrT is needed if you set a route from "having OLE" to "not having OLE". 4. in the yards you must disable the "Weichenlaufkette" (switch chain), before you can operate the ErsGT (Subsidiary signal) on the open line, you can activate the Subsidiary signal, if the track before the signal is occupied. Thanks for the comments. to 1.: you don't have extra flank protection Lsp's on track 2, 3 and 4 either. I think it would make more sense to have a Lsp on the left track (after P2), so you can protect against trains driving into the "counter track" (Gegengleis). Even better would be a Lsp "1" in the opposite direction for shunting of engines on track 3 and 4 without disturbing the trains on track 1. to 4.: By which procedure do I disable the "Weichenlaufkette" in the sim, I mean where is the button and/or which one is meant from you? Here's another strange issue: - signals 802 and 902 are block signals. A track route cannot go from a station to a block signal, here you need another destination button like the ones for the left track ("n.Ldf" and "n.Rh").
TjoeTjoe Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 By which procedure do I disable the "Weichenlaufkette" in the sim, I mean where is the button and/or which one is meant from you? You answer for the switch chain (Weichenlaufkette) can be found here : http://www.railsignalling.org/signalwiki/index.php/Station_Button So Station button together with WSpT button to disable, ation button together with WESpT button to enable Best regards Erwin
Spurplan60 Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Here's another strange issue: - signals 802 and 902 are block signals. A track route cannot go from a station to a block signal, here you need another destination button like the ones for the left track ("n.Ldf" and "n.Rh"). This is not strange, it is the standard layout for tracks with "Zentralblock" The tracks from Kleinstadt to Linksdorf and Rechtsheim (and vice versa) have Zentralblock, as all the other Signalsoft simulations have this block system. If we had a track with "Selbstblock", however, you would have been completely right The Zentralblock can be distinguished from the Selbstblock by the standard aspect of the signals. If the signals are red by default, it is Zentralblock. Selbstblock signals are green by default.
Bahn-Michel Posted January 8, 2011 Author Posted January 8, 2011 This is not strange, it is the standard layout for tracks with "Zentralblock" The tracks from Kleinstadt to Linksdorf and Rechtsheim (and vice versa) have Zentralblock, as all the other Signalsoft simulations have this block system. If we had a track with "Selbstblock", however, you would have been completely right The Zentralblock can be distinguished from the Selbstblock by the standard aspect of the signals. If the signals are red by default, it is Zentralblock. Selbstblock signals are green by default. You are right. But there one execption: if the "Selbstblock" signal is in front of a BÜ it is of course red by default (as long as it is a remote-controlled BÜ). Btw: I have worked on a "real" Sp DrS 60 for some time. greez Mike
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