Instructing driver to pass signal at Danger

[pblanksb]

I'm running this sim with faults and failures enabled for the first time, and automatic Signal 4 on the route to Koln-Sud will not clear. I have train 545 standing at Signal 4 and cannot find any way of instructing the driver to pass the signal at Danger. The driver called to advise he was standing at the red signal but the only answer option available is to tell him it will clear soon. I looked in movement orders to see if there were any options there but I can only see one that asks the driver to stop ahead of the signal, when I want him to pass it and keep going.

I've looked through the manual but haven't spotted anything to help me, any help with this would be much appreciated.

Phil.

[TjoeTjoe]

I'm running this sim with faults and failures enabled for the first time, and automatic Signal 4 on the route to Koln-Sud will not clear. I have train 545 standing at Signal 4 and cannot find any way of instructing the driver to pass the signal at Danger. The driver called to advise he was standing at the red signal but the only answer option available is to tell him it will clear soon.

Phil,

if I remember well, you will not have the option to give him an order to pass a signal when HE calls you.

Try calling him. Then you should get an option that you have an instruction for him or maybe even already in this first dialog you will have the option that you want to submit an order to pass the signal at danger. Once you have found that option, you will get a form to be filled in.

For sure: an instruction to pass a signal at danger is not a Movement Order option

[TjoeTjoe]

Phil,

I checked this yesterday evening at home, and it is like I describe above:

- call HIM, using the ZBF

- ask for the train (number) you want to connect to

- then one of the conversation options is a something like " I have a instruction to pass a signal at danger"

- next, a form will show up, in section 2 you can fill in the signals at danger that you want him to pass.

Tested it for a block signal on the route towards Bruhl, and it worked fine.

[pblanksb]

Phil,

I checked this yesterday evening at home, and it is like I describe above:

- call HIM, using the ZBF

- ask for the train (number) you want to connect to

- then one of the conversation options is a something like " I have a instruction to pass a signal at danger"

- next, a form will show up, in section 2 you can fill in the signals at danger that you want him to pass.

Tested it for a block signal on the route towards Bruhl, and it worked fine.

Hi Tjoe Tjoe,

I just tried your instructions and everything is on the move again.

Thanks very much for your help.

Regards,

Phil.

[intallonabile]

Hi Tjoe Tjoe,

I just tried your instructions and everything is on the move again.

Thanks very much for your help.

Regards,

Phil.

Erwin. please, when the basa ask me to keep out of service a track not bi directional (toward Koln sud or Eifeltor) is possible to send (and receive) a train on a not bidirectional track at left or i must wait BASA ends his work so to have track free ?

Thanks for reply

Diego

[michaels]

Normally, you would send trains to the wrong track with a so called auxiliary route (just like a normal train route, except that the starting signal will not change to proceed) and a written order or Zs 8. This is not implemented in the simulation yet.

But it is still possible to send trains on the wrong track (tried it in Gelsenkirchen). Just call your neighbor to offer all trains to you and refuse them all. Set the route (switches) manually and use ErsGT or a written order to let the train pass the signal. Of course, this is "against all orders", but it works at least ;-)

[TjoeTjoe]

Erwin. please, when the basa ask me to keep out of service a track not bi directional (toward Koln sud or Eifeltor) is possible to send (and receive) a train on a not bidirectional track at left or i must wait BASA ends his work so to have track free ?

Thanks for reply

Diego

Diego,

I had such a similar question a while ago. But that question was for the other direction, read track Koln Sud->Andernach or Eifeltor->Andernach locked.

f I remember well, Richard told me that the normal procedure for this partical section is that if the track between Koln Sud and Andernach is/are locked, trains will be send via the Eifeltor tracks and vica versa. And if I understood him well, never tested it, it should work like that in the simulation.

But I could be totally wrong .. it's not my best day today after all

But maybe Richard or anyone else who's familiar with the local procedures can confirm or explain this.

Erwin

[intallonabile]

Thanks for the reply at Micheal and Erwin (Tjoe)

ciao

[michaels]

Diego,

I had such a similar question a while ago. But that question was for the other direction, read track Koln Sud->Andernach or Eifeltor->Andernach locked.

f I remember well, Richard told me that the normal procedure for this partical section is that if the track between Koln Sud and Andernach is/are locked, trains will be send via the Eifeltor tracks and vica versa. And if I understood him well, never tested it, it should work like that in the simulation.

But I could be totally wrong .. it's not my best day today after all

But maybe Richard or anyone else who's familiar with the local procedures can confirm or explain this.

Erwin

When you look at the sketch by Sven Zeegers referenced in the KK Örtliche Kenntnisse, you'll find that it's impossible for trains to Eifeltor to use the tracks to KKS (of course, this does not apply to trains with a different destination). The other way makes sense, but only for trains that don't stop at KKS, because the Eifeltor tracks have no platform there. I could imagine that this is done in reality due to the (probably) very heavy traffic there. Just to use one of the two tracks to KKS might not be sufficient.

[TjoeTjoe]

When you look at the sketch by Sven Zeegers referenced in the KK Örtliche Kenntnisse, you'll find that it's impossible for trains to Eifeltor to use the tracks to KKS (of course, this does not apply to trains with a different destination). The other way makes sense, but only for trains that don't stop at KKS, because the Eifeltor tracks have no platform there. I could imagine that this is done in reality due to the (probably) very heavy traffic there. Just to use one of the two tracks to KKS might not be sufficient.

Thanks for the explanation. Well, it was more about what in the situation that the track is locked.

Anyway, Diego should follow your "against all rules"-procedure as what I wrote above is not how it works in the simulation. Just tested it.

Even worse, if I call dispacther Süd that the track Köln Süd is out of order, trains are being send anyway

If I tell him that he has to not to send any train via track Köln Süd, which is track from Süd towards Hurth , then he replies with the words that he has understood that the track is out of order, and indeed he won't send trains via that track anymore. Although, he will ask if he is allowed to do so, once you refuse him to change direction on track Hurth->Köln Süd (which is not possible anyway, no EaT etc)