Train Won't Pass Signal At Danger

[pblanksb]

Train 545 approaching Bonn from Godesburg at 0700hrs, and having previously been given an order to pass Signal 22 at Danger which is red for no apparent reason, now stands at the next signal 102 which is also red for no reason. It called in to say it was standing to which I gave the only answer possible, "Wait until it shows proceed". I then called the radio operator, was put through to train 545 and gave it a written order to pass signal 102, which the driver accepted. But over 10 minutes and 2 written orders later, train 545 still hasn't moved and train 3508 is now waiting behind it.

Could it be refusing to move because of my earlier instruction to wait until it clears (which should surely be overruled by my subsequent instruction to pass it at Danger, and has this refusal to pass a signal at Danger been experienced by anyone else?

Regards,

Phil.

[michaels]

Seems to be a general problem with that one. Some days ago there was a similar discussion about signals in the KK simulation... But as far as I understood, the system of written orders is subject of further development. Then it will maybe also be possible to give an order to use the wrong track (see one of my recent posts).

[pblanksb]

Seems to be a general problem with that one. Some days ago there was a similar discussion about signals in the KK simulation... But as far as I understood, the system of written orders is subject of further development. Then it will maybe also be possible to give an order to use the wrong track (see one of my recent posts).

What would be really handy Michael would be, when a driver calls in to say he is waiting at a red signal, to have the additional option of telling him to pass it at Danger. Clicking this option could bring up the requisite form to fill in and then issue it.

Reference your answer, if I can't get train 545 to move it looks like I'll have to abandon this simulation and start a new one as I'm just going to get a big queue of trains behind 545. It's a shame because the morning rush is just starting.

On another subject, ie signalling failures, I've had a track circuit failure in the Bonn sim for over 2hrs. I know that in real life a failure for this length of time is not unusual, but my question is do I have to call for a signalling technician to fix it as in real life (and if so how do I go about it as I've found nothing in the manual) or will the failure clear on its own in the fullness of time?

Phil.

[signalsoftRC]

We would like to change the written order system a bit.

Current problems:

- written orders are stored like a "pile of paper" where the drivers picks the top one to execute first. If you issue a wrong one first and a issue a correct one after that... it's still trying to execute the first one.

- one of the biggest problems is: which type of written order. In our timespan 1975- now there were about 5 different types/formats used... and I don't like to implement them all... The one we have now is the one from NOW and not the one used in 1996... :-(

So we have not taken a decision yet as what to do. but it's on the list for end of the month work.

Track circuit failures can be solved by the technician. (if you have the updated versions)

It might take up to 30-40 minutes for the technicians to arrive on site and solve it.

[TjoeTjoe]

Train 545 approaching Bonn from Godesburg at 0700hrs, and having previously been given an order to pass Signal 22 at Danger which is red for no apparent reason, now stands at the next signal 102 which is also red for no reason.

Phil,

apart from the issue that Michael mentions, some alarm bells start ringing here.

I know that Bonn (KB) has been/is being prepared for Line Operations with the upcoming new simulation Bonn Bad-Godesberg (KBBG).

The signals you mention are not on the Bonn panel is far as I can see and remember, but on the KBBG panel. NOt sure though, have to chek that at home.

However, if these signals are KBBG-controlled, then my initial guess is that something apperantly can go wrong with these signals when KB is operating as stand-alone simulation. In Line Ops mode, the status from these signals are likely to be obtained from/communicated by the KBBG simulation towards the KB panel.

But again, this is just a guess for now. Have to check it once home and time permits

Final question: Are you running the simulation with any specific settings, like chance for irregularities etc. ?

Erwin

[TjoeTjoe]

... but my question is do I have to call for a signalling technician to fix it as in real life (and if so how do I go about it as I've found nothing in the manual) or will the failure clear on its own in the fullness of time?

Track circuit failures can be solved by the technician. (if you have the updated versions)

It might take up to 30-40 minutes for the technicians to arrive on site and solve it.

Hmm, think I have some homework to do here ... Wiki time ... indeed a valid question: where did we hide this guy? I know he is living somewhere in the simulation.

At least in Hengelo and Arnhem I have found him a couple of time. But my memory fails ... so have to get back on this and then update the Wiki

Erwin

[michaels]

In KK it's the "Sig" button on the communication panel. There you can call the technicians to fix signals, level crossings, track circuits...

Indeed, we should put this in the wiki. I've just prepared that, putting links to "Kommunikation" into the articles where it's said that you need a technician. This article needs some improvement anyways, for there's little explanation about who you can call and what you can do, at least it's not well structured...

[TjoeTjoe]

In KK it's the "Sig" button on the communication panel. There you can call the technicians to fix signals, level crossings, track circuits...

Indeed, we should put this in the wiki. I've just prepared that, putting links to "Kommunikation" into the articles where it's said that you need a technician. This article needs some improvement anyways, for there's little explanation about who you can call and what you can do, at least it's not well structured...

Hi Michael,

it's the ever growing to-do-list with respect to the SignalWiki

Keep me posted (via Skype) and I will update Dutch and/or English section on this subject

Erwin

[pblanksb]

Phil,

apart from the issue that Michael mentions, some alarm bells start ringing here.

I know that Bonn (KB) has been/is being prepared for Line Operations with the upcoming new simulation Bonn Bad-Godesberg (KBBG).

The signals you mention are not on the Bonn panel is far as I can see and remember, but on the KBBG panel. NOt sure though, have to chek that at home.

However, if these signals are KBBG-controlled, then my initial guess is that something apperantly can go wrong with these signals when KB is operating as stand-alone simulation. In Line Ops mode, the status from these signals are likely to be obtained from/communicated by the KBBG simulation towards the KB panel.

But again, this is just a guess for now. Have to check it once home and time permits

Final question: Are you running the simulation with any specific settings, like chance for irregularities etc. ?

Erwin

Hi Erwin,

Yes I am running it with a small chance of signalling failures.

I gathered the signals I mentioned aren't Bonn signals as all they have is a train describer berth and a number on the panel. Bonn - Bad-Godesburg should make an interesting sim.

On an unrelated subject, I started a new Bonn simulation from 0645 because of the earlier problems I had with train 545, and train 66705 appeared from Duisdorf bound for Bonn Platform 5. I duly routed it there, then shortly after it arrived it came up "Ready For Departure" towards the south. There are no timings in the 'View Time Table' menu and it's not listed in the timetable on the 'Help' document. What should happen to this train?

Phil.

[michaels]

The 66xxx trains are extraordinary trains, therefore they don't appear in the timetable. At the moment, those trains are just copies of regular ones with different arrival/departure times. You can at least try to send them to the given destination. In case this is not possible (or the train ends in your station), just send them anywhere you like :-)

It is planned though to add the possibility of extraordinary trains with schedules that really make sense :-)

[signalsoftRC]

note: if you are NOT in line operations mode, the signals belong to your simulation. (All signals it is)

So you should be able to give a written order to ANY signal (even if it's outside your area of responsibility. This to prevent you might get stuck. Especially if you're all alone)

And yep, when KRE and KBBG are out we will rethink the "extra train" options.